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we are hoping the obama administration will take opportunity on second administration lame duck working on legacy to say hey, the voters -- the citizens voted in these two states. let's let the states work it out. >> geraldo: that's vivian mcpeak and trip keebler weren't you a federal prosecutor in that very office? >> i'm going to tell you they are not going to let this go and happen in the state. no, the feds can come in, as you know, as you just said and trump anything that the state does. >> controlled substances abuse act into federal law? >> right. when i was a federal prosecutor we had a zero tolerance program came in from the border of canada. put in jail for a day. record was expunged. little bit of a sign. >> >> do you think the fed are going to do that even the majority. >> attorney's office, yes. >> you have got 18 states passing medical marijuana already. a third the american people. isn't the writing on the wall here, this prohibition of marijuana is over? >> i really think is, look. you do as he says federal government. look if we pass a law. our law it is superior to you
we are hoping the obama administration will take opportunity on second administration lame duck working on legacy to say hey, the voters -- the citizens voted in these two states. let's let the states work it out. >> geraldo: that's vivian mcpeak and trip keebler weren't you a federal prosecutor in that very office? >> i'm going to tell you they are not going to let this go and happen in the state. no, the feds can come in, as you know, as you just said and trump anything that the...
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there is criticism of the obama administration and they feel it has been too muted in terms of the violence we see now and what the new government is doing to protect the minorities, such as the coptic christians. >> reporter: thank you. earlier in our program, 100,000 have fled, recently. so clearly, more are coming. thank you. >> jamie: we are celebrating the trail blazers of human space flight. it's been 40 years since the last mission to the moon, capping off an incredible run for the american space program. this is one of the original pioneer who is ventured into the unknown, rusty schwicart, he sits down with us next. >> hipety, hopety, hipety, hopety, over the hill, land hill. da-da-da-da-da-da-da-dah. hipety hopety along. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a
there is criticism of the obama administration and they feel it has been too muted in terms of the violence we see now and what the new government is doing to protect the minorities, such as the coptic christians. >> reporter: thank you. earlier in our program, 100,000 have fled, recently. so clearly, more are coming. thank you. >> jamie: we are celebrating the trail blazers of human space flight. it's been 40 years since the last mission to the moon, capping off an incredible run...
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revenue has gone up every single year in the obama administration, and now we're at historic highs. the difference is our spending increased a trillion dollars from five years ago, but the revenue is the same. >> a lot of that spending is things to help the economy, right? it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported, right? it's extending unemployment benefits and things like that. it's the war. >> right. that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective right now. we have two philosophies. one is saying we're spending too much and the other is saying we don't spend enough. obviously the last four years are spending more to stimulate. i'm not sure if that will work long-term. we've crossed 100% of debt to gdp. i don't think that gets better as you get higher. >> the only thing that confuses me about it, i feel like in a situation where all you do is keep cutting taxes and have a revenue problem, right? you give a tax cut to the middle class you don't want it to take it away from them. you keep giving out things p and you never take them back. >> well, that
revenue has gone up every single year in the obama administration, and now we're at historic highs. the difference is our spending increased a trillion dollars from five years ago, but the revenue is the same. >> a lot of that spending is things to help the economy, right? it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported, right? it's extending unemployment benefits and things like that. it's the war. >> right. that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective...
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revenue has gone up every year of the obama administration and now, we're at historic highs. the same as we were five years ago. the difference is, our spending has increased a trillion dollars. >> yeah, but a lot of that spending is things to help the economy. it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported. it's extending unemployment benefits. it's things like that. t the war. >> that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective. we've got two philosophies. one says we're spending too much. the other saying we're not spending enough. that's hurting our economy. obviously, the last four years have been more focused on the spending. we continue to pile up more and more debt, we've crossed 100% of debt to gdp. >> but you're line of thinking, the tax side, so we end up spending more thanks to democrats and the country is going to a worst place. >> the context is really important on this. in 2003 when tax rates were brought down. and then in 2010, we were still in a bad place, the president and democrats said the economy's weak, we can't raise taxing on a
revenue has gone up every year of the obama administration and now, we're at historic highs. the same as we were five years ago. the difference is, our spending has increased a trillion dollars. >> yeah, but a lot of that spending is things to help the economy. it's the payroll tax cut extension, which your party supported. it's extending unemployment benefits. it's things like that. t the war. >> that's going to be the challenge of the whole perspective. we've got two philosophies....
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what you're looking at is people, perhaps, moving to get ahead of the obama administration's new and highly unattractive tax plan for investors. big winners on the day, financials, citi group stock up after announcing they are laying off 4% of the work force, cutting cost, bank of america and travelers example of the financialses moving higher. marathon, chevron, conoco all higher. crude oil down for a second straight day closing under 88 a barrel, and ten year treasury down to 1.59%. no progress in resolving the fiscal cliff today. i know, you're not surprised by that, but we can report there were, well, some contact between the two principle players in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry for the report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled bud
what you're looking at is people, perhaps, moving to get ahead of the obama administration's new and highly unattractive tax plan for investors. big winners on the day, financials, citi group stock up after announcing they are laying off 4% of the work force, cutting cost, bank of america and travelers example of the financialses moving higher. marathon, chevron, conoco all higher. crude oil down for a second straight day closing under 88 a barrel, and ten year treasury down to 1.59%. no...
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the obama administration vacillated back and forth on what the policy was on whether to get rid of mubarak. even behind the scenes i don't think we've applied sufficient pressure on the military. the key leverage we have that the administration has is the threat to withhold funding. i must say if they don't get the message in the military from that, congress, when it comes back into session after the first of the year, i think is going to take a very close look at that. if the military wants to continue american assistance they should listen to the administration. that is to say if the administration is talking to them and not supporting morsi for his role in things like the hamas-israel cease-fire which was announced the day before morsi announced his decree. >> they did that the day after sitting down with with secretary of state hillary clinton. >> he clearly, morsi clearly felt emboldened to take that step. what president obama in six telephone conversation with president morsi before the cease-fire, as you said secretary of state there in egypt. whether there was a wink and a nod or b
the obama administration vacillated back and forth on what the policy was on whether to get rid of mubarak. even behind the scenes i don't think we've applied sufficient pressure on the military. the key leverage we have that the administration has is the threat to withhold funding. i must say if they don't get the message in the military from that, congress, when it comes back into session after the first of the year, i think is going to take a very close look at that. if the military wants to...
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my next guest says the obama administration is punishing job producers and subsidizing a withdrawal from the work force. joining us now, one of the country's most houghtfl, provocative political and economic thinkers, author george gilder who wrote the best seller, wealth and poverty, and a seminal work in it is great to have you with us. some people upon closer inspection, it isot good news anand people are leaving the wok force. >> it sure isn't. we are paying people to leave the workforce. some $1 trillion offpaments of various kinds to keep people from working and to break up their families and to demoralize their earnest. it is -- it ignores the elephant in the room which is a massive departure of the prime age man from the work force. it is accelerating today. and part of tis is being subsidized by the government through record disability payments. lou: disability aymts from social security administration, taking that a side when one looks at food stamps and medicaid alone, you can add other incentives as well and support programs, but we ae looking at the prospect of having one in
my next guest says the obama administration is punishing job producers and subsidizing a withdrawal from the work force. joining us now, one of the country's most houghtfl, provocative political and economic thinkers, author george gilder who wrote the best seller, wealth and poverty, and a seminal work in it is great to have you with us. some people upon closer inspection, it isot good news anand people are leaving the wok force. >> it sure isn't. we are paying people to leave the...
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. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up dlomatic efforts to end seer -- syris bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary of hillary clinton flew to dublin to hold a meetg with her russian counter part and u.n. enjoy to syria meeting to discuss how they would end the now 21-month long conflict in syria and how to move assad from power. and there's no sign they had to reverse the support, and toda a senior lawmaker says the syria government is now incapable of functioning properly. just before the meeting with the russian foreign minister, secretary clinton insisted that the united states and russia share common goals in the region. >> trying hard to work hard with russia to stop the bloodshed in syria and begin a political transition to a post asad future the pressure against the regime in and aroundamascus seems to be increasing. lou: at home, leon pa net fa issuing the -- panetta issuinghe sharpest warning yet. >> the president of t united states made it clear there will
. ♪ lou: the obama administration tonight ramping up dlomatic efforts to end seer -- syris bloody civil war and the fear assad could use chemical weapons against his own people. the military is prepared to use poisen gas bombs, secretary of hillary clinton flew to dublin to hold a meetg with her russian counter part and u.n. enjoy to syria meeting to discuss how they would end the now 21-month long conflict in syria and how to move assad from power. and there's no sign they had to reverse the...
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many tactical adjustments on the part of the obama administration. what we are seeing is at least one step backwards for every to step forward the obama administration seems to be mostly in full ford motor here's the thing. when you are talking about what they're doing these of the protesters and accommodating their concerns, but when you talk of what they're doing with this peace agreement with israel, when you talk about what they're doing with respect to cease-fires and a mosque, this is all temporary. it will not, i believe, be the long-term policy of the muslim brotherhood because they are committed to war against us. i mean, we have that from their own documents. the destruction of this country, western civilization. it sounds crazy, but that is their strategy. we are clear that they are dead set against israel. their franchise seek the destruction of israel. and these are simply adjustments on the road to that long term set of goals. lou: us talk about a couple of quick adjustments, some adjustments, quickly, if we may. let me turn to you firs
many tactical adjustments on the part of the obama administration. what we are seeing is at least one step backwards for every to step forward the obama administration seems to be mostly in full ford motor here's the thing. when you are talking about what they're doing these of the protesters and accommodating their concerns, but when you talk of what they're doing with this peace agreement with israel, when you talk about what they're doing with respect to cease-fires and a mosque, this is all...
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administration's message to syria the u.s. is ready to act if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons there will be consequences and you will be held accountable there will be consequences. there will be consequences we have sent a unmistakable message that this would cross a red line for america the media quickly picked up on the alarming news of the syrian government's alleged plans citing secret intelligence for fox news confirms that syrian troops now have the deadly nerve agent sarin gas weaponized and at the ready the syrian government flatly denied the possibility saying it would not use such weapons against its people. we would not commit suicide we feel there's a conspiracy to provide a pretext for any subsequent interventions in syria by these countries during creasing pressure on syria the syrian government sure knows that if they use chemical weapons it would give nato and some of their arab neighbors who are itching to intervene in syria the green light to go ahead with their plans the meskins itself sa
administration's message to syria the u.s. is ready to act if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons there will be consequences and you will be held accountable there will be consequences. there will be consequences we have sent a unmistakable message that this would cross a red line for america the media quickly picked up on the alarming news of the syrian government's alleged plans citing secret intelligence for fox news confirms that syrian troops now have the deadly nerve agent...
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administration in the you declined. due to pressure of what you've called these rather lobby in the united states you precise later on that it's actually more correct to call it the likud lobby or the lobby of the right wing in israel what exactly do you mean by that definition well i think if you look at the american jewish community which from which the activists in the israel lobby are drawn there is a large passive support for israel among christian fundamentalists but they are not active generally speaking the activists come from a very limited segment about four percent of the american jewish community and these are people who are strong supporters of the extreme right wing in israel there's another very interesting instance that you describe i'm going to read out a quote of yours you are being told by a senior israeli official thank you for what you did for israel what job in president bush administration do you want how exactly does that work i mean kind of foreign power actually influence staffing of national s
administration in the you declined. due to pressure of what you've called these rather lobby in the united states you precise later on that it's actually more correct to call it the likud lobby or the lobby of the right wing in israel what exactly do you mean by that definition well i think if you look at the american jewish community which from which the activists in the israel lobby are drawn there is a large passive support for israel among christian fundamentalists but they are not active...
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attorney or it's a trial balloon from the obama administration. and i think more likely, it's a trial balloon. because obama himself has said, look, i'm the president, but i can't legalize marijuana, because congress has outlawed it. either way, it is a trial balloon in the sense that it's going to have a chilling effect on the evolution of the industry in washington. the governor of the state, the regulators, when they get together to hash out the structure of the market, they are conspiring to break federal law. they're committing a crime. >> right. so how is that going to play out? in both these states, you have, you know, basically the law says they're going to have legalized marijuana growth and distribution and regulate it. can any of that even take place, unless there is some resolution from the federal government about how they're going to treat it? >> i think the state's going to move forward and wait to hear. they can't expect any resolution before they move forward. they have one year to do something that no one has ever done, create th
attorney or it's a trial balloon from the obama administration. and i think more likely, it's a trial balloon. because obama himself has said, look, i'm the president, but i can't legalize marijuana, because congress has outlawed it. either way, it is a trial balloon in the sense that it's going to have a chilling effect on the evolution of the industry in washington. the governor of the state, the regulators, when they get together to hash out the structure of the market, they are conspiring...
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the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. >> reporter: obama administration and military officials say they believe president assad has gotten the message. >> we have sent an unmistakable message that this would cross a red line. and those responsible would be held to account. >> reporter: the syrian regime, which has been massacring citizens for nearly two-straight years, has been careful not to confirm it has the weapons. >> even if we have them, we shall not use them against our people. >> reporter: but president assad's father used chemical weapons. and officials believe pressure on the current government is mounting. opposition is making tactical gains that could trigger a shift in the conflict. the state department believes the conflict is growing closer to assad and is looking into reports that assad's men are looking for a place to go into exile. >> tahman bradley, live in washington. thanks, tahman. >>> we also have breaking news this morning from egypt. deadly clashes between opponents and supporters of egypt's new president. at least five people were k
the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. >> reporter: obama administration and military officials say they believe president assad has gotten the message. >> we have sent an unmistakable message that this would cross a red line. and those responsible would be held to account. >> reporter: the syrian regime, which has been massacring citizens for nearly two-straight years, has been careful not to confirm it has the weapons. >> even if we have...
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you have the brotherhood which has been supported by the state department in the obama administration as it has an analogous vehicle to create a if you will an islamic dictatorship in egypt where they're pushing a black agenda a secret agenda much much like. masonry organization for sequences where the triads are the the who's in japan and so forth they're pushing an agenda on the population and the population rightly source was a skunk and i think this is the coptic christian groups are threatened if the book brotherhood gets its constitution and imposing sharia law. other groups of muslims for example sufi places of worship are under attack in egypt and likely will be increasing your soul and this is probably one of the most major. here in intelligence projects of the of the last fifty years and since the us government support of the muslim brotherhood to create islamic fascist regime you want to use that term across the islamic world across the muslim world from afghanistan down through turkey into saudi arabia qatar and of course egypt. syria's rebels have joined forces in the one
you have the brotherhood which has been supported by the state department in the obama administration as it has an analogous vehicle to create a if you will an islamic dictatorship in egypt where they're pushing a black agenda a secret agenda much much like. masonry organization for sequences where the triads are the the who's in japan and so forth they're pushing an agenda on the population and the population rightly source was a skunk and i think this is the coptic christian groups are...
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the footage for the you will die like these two rabbits despite supporting the anti assad forces the obama administration also recognizes that there are radical groups among the opposition in an attempt to distance themselves from extremists washington has designated one almost a terrorist organization it is thought to be one of the most aggressive and ruthless groups currently involved in the conflict it's seen as more of a symbolic move on washington's part as many other rebel fighters in syria will come the efforts of those designated terrorists. this is a demonstration of support for almost strike in syria with people heard chanting we are students of osama. in its own words the assad government is fighting terrorists that battle has claimed thousands of innocent lives the measures the syrian government was ordered to have been widely criticized but there's that crisis mean the wall should keep their eyes shocked at who's actually fighting. power in syria now in washington i'm going to check on. there's been more deadly violence in syria with two blasts there primary school southeast o
the footage for the you will die like these two rabbits despite supporting the anti assad forces the obama administration also recognizes that there are radical groups among the opposition in an attempt to distance themselves from extremists washington has designated one almost a terrorist organization it is thought to be one of the most aggressive and ruthless groups currently involved in the conflict it's seen as more of a symbolic move on washington's part as many other rebel fighters in...
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that is where the obama administration is. whether it's good policy or is not a different conversation. but the talks about whether we'll pull out by 2014, to expedite things are not. these are all ways of basically saying we're done with this place. i don't know that you couldn't have more success if we contribute troops and resources the way people want to but there is not the political will in washington. >> bret: we won't stop talking about it. that is it for panel. stay tuned to see what makes this the most wonderful time of the year. begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, woooooh! . [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-
that is where the obama administration is. whether it's good policy or is not a different conversation. but the talks about whether we'll pull out by 2014, to expedite things are not. these are all ways of basically saying we're done with this place. i don't know that you couldn't have more success if we contribute troops and resources the way people want to but there is not the political will in washington. >> bret: we won't stop talking about it. that is it for panel. stay tuned to see...
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joining us is the former budget director for the obama administration. vice chairman at citigroup, a veteran of these negotiations, thank you for being here on a friday night. >> good to be with you. >> peter, you have been in a lot of these negotiations. you have been in their rhythms and seen how they go. what's your take? >> i think as you pointed out, it's still early. it's december 7th. both sides would be complaining if there was an agreement in place. but you can see the pieces coming together on the fiscal cliff some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package and if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration has been clear they will not sign anything. even to get past december 31st. so do you think they can hold firm on tha
joining us is the former budget director for the obama administration. vice chairman at citigroup, a veteran of these negotiations, thank you for being here on a friday night. >> good to be with you. >> peter, you have been in a lot of these negotiations. you have been in their rhythms and seen how they go. what's your take? >> i think as you pointed out, it's still early. it's december 7th. both sides would be complaining if there was an agreement in place. but you can see...
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a senior white house aide confirms the obama administration is offering $1.4 trillion in revenue. you remember the previous offer by the white house was 1.6 trillion in revenue. so a little decline there but, no talk of spending right? we'll bring you more details as we have them. >>> the tragic death of dallas cowboys player is sparking debate ho much control employers can imposed over their workers. er the weekend krou boys linebacker jerry brown was killed in a drunk driving accident with fellow teammate josh brent at the wheel. the cowboys are considering installing a device called safe-key in every player's car. it prevents cars from driving if the driver doesn't pass a visual hand-eye coordination test. the cowboys won't be the first organization to have rules. here at "money" we told you about it. ri health which fired 150 workers for not getting flu shots. the question is, are these kinds of rules fair to employees and are they even legal? here to figure this out is attorney nicole davord. thanks for coming on. >> sure. thanks for having me. melissa: let's start with the i
a senior white house aide confirms the obama administration is offering $1.4 trillion in revenue. you remember the previous offer by the white house was 1.6 trillion in revenue. so a little decline there but, no talk of spending right? we'll bring you more details as we have them. >>> the tragic death of dallas cowboys player is sparking debate ho much control employers can imposed over their workers. er the weekend krou boys linebacker jerry brown was killed in a drunk driving...
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administration as it has an analogous to create a if you will an islamic dictatorship in egypt but they're pushing a block a gender a secret agenda much much like. masonry organization the secret societies where the triads of the the. they were pushing an agenda on the population and the population rightly so much was gone and i think this is the coptic christian groups are threatened if the book brotherhood gets its constitution and imposing sharia law for. other groups of muslims for example salafi places of worship are under attack in egypt and likely will be increasing its will and this is probably one of the most major. intelligence projects of the last fifty years since the us government support of the muslim brotherhood to create islamic fascist regime if you want to use that term across the islamic world across the muslim world from afghanistan down through turkey into saudi arabia qatar and of course egypt. but one of the tips main opposition leaders and former head of the arab league says most is the regime is failing to fulfill the nation's hopes for change or deal with its majo
administration as it has an analogous to create a if you will an islamic dictatorship in egypt but they're pushing a block a gender a secret agenda much much like. masonry organization the secret societies where the triads of the the. they were pushing an agenda on the population and the population rightly so much was gone and i think this is the coptic christian groups are threatened if the book brotherhood gets its constitution and imposing sharia law for. other groups of muslims for example...
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. >> tim geithner confirming what republicans have been saying the obama administration is ready to go over the so-called fiscal cliff if taxes are not raised. >> the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no prospects in agreement that doesn't involve the raise going up on the top 2 percent. >> house speaker bane another a boehner and president obama have been talking by phone. not much progress was made. boehner says if he doesn't agree with the propose sal he has obligation to submit one of his own. >> the missing girl battling leukemia is safe and is being treated in new mexico. she was taken out of a hospital in phoenix. her mother took her. doctors are worried she could potentially get a deadly infection. the girl's father claims the hospital was to blame for a different infection which cost emily her right arm. he's refusing to tell police where she is in mexico. both parents could face criminal charges. >> shock, disgust and fear spread quickly on the campus of the university of -- one details the exact moment they realty lied they were in
. >> tim geithner confirming what republicans have been saying the obama administration is ready to go over the so-called fiscal cliff if taxes are not raised. >> the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no prospects in agreement that doesn't involve the raise going up on the top 2 percent. >> house speaker bane another a boehner and president obama have been talking by phone. not much progress was made. boehner says if he doesn't...
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lou: giving the obama administration, john negroponte e ging support do you agree things are betterhan six months ago? >> here i have to agree they acknowledge immorality. egypt is going in a bad direction. there is nothing we could have done. >> egypt has retained with the policies it is pursuing. the decision to go to day u are the political expert , to go into michigan that frustrates the president ey just soldd a123 1/4 million taxpayer money and 13 union workers going ba to chrysler. it is the glory day. >> the campaign has never ended. the president said if i find any excuse to get outside of washington. >> it is one powerful exit. he wanted to stay there. >> if he was serious he would spend time burning e midnight oil. meeting with house speaker is great. but meat with the senate and there is no negotiation there. lou: i would give you a hint to the next question. why should we take either seriously with the negotiation? said will take a break we will be back. lou: we are back with the "a team" why should it we take the president seriously? >> he has neglected to put cuts on the
lou: giving the obama administration, john negroponte e ging support do you agree things are betterhan six months ago? >> here i have to agree they acknowledge immorality. egypt is going in a bad direction. there is nothing we could have done. >> egypt has retained with the policies it is pursuing. the decision to go to day u are the political expert , to go into michigan that frustrates the president ey just soldd a123 1/4 million taxpayer money and 13 union workers going ba to...
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it doesn't matter what the obama administration is doing. we waited 21 months. 40,000 syrians were killed. thousands of syrian versus fled to turkey, iraq and jordan. many are refugees. the city has been completely leveled to the ground, and now we come, we offer this recognition, it's very lame. >> eliot: will we be in position to affect the outcome. let me state this as a premise. i take it as a premise that assad will fall at some point. his civil society is fallen. do you accept that premise. >> it was a year ago when the obama administration said bashar is a dead man walking. a year later we can see that this may be the end game, but it has nothing to do with what we do and what we say. and indeed president obama gave hillary clinton secretary of state to promise that the cavalry was on the way and they never showed up. >> eliot: what i heard was there was not much they could do to affect the dynamics of this revolution. >> they were skillful in the way they depicted this fight. the only thing we could do is to have boots on the ground.
it doesn't matter what the obama administration is doing. we waited 21 months. 40,000 syrians were killed. thousands of syrian versus fled to turkey, iraq and jordan. many are refugees. the city has been completely leveled to the ground, and now we come, we offer this recognition, it's very lame. >> eliot: will we be in position to affect the outcome. let me state this as a premise. i take it as a premise that assad will fall at some point. his civil society is fallen. do you accept that...